8/30/06

An argument with Sirus Brightstar (1)

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Originally Posted by *SiRiUs* Bright_Star View Post
Yuli: you seem to know much about backwards societies and cultures...

I'm rather amazed, if not horrified, by your elitist attitude. "backwards societies and cultures" you say? Sirius, I must ask you, who are you to determine the validity of a culture? Upon what grounds do you hold the right to judge other ways of life? Am I less of a person if I engage in worship practices different then your own? Am I some form of social burden for you because of this? The attitude about "backwards societies and cultures" was the same attitude used to justify bigotry, slavery, opression of indigenous cultures, and genocide around the world.

For a person who would present themselves as an enlightened individual, I find such statements of utter ignorance and blatant arrogant hostility to be offensive.

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Sacrifice means sacred. The term is misunderstood by killing an animal or person. And yes, the flesh is not the offering when making rituals... but the "BLOOD" (bodies and blood are sacred things to evil spirits).

I heard screamings yesterday evening.

The origin of the term sacred is from the Middle English word sacren which means to consecrate. This word is derived from the Latin word sacrāre (to devote) that is a derivited of the word sacer (holy). The definition given for the word sacred is:

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1. devoted or dedicated to a deity or to some religious purpose; consecrated.
2. entitled to veneration or religious respect by association with divinity or divine things; holy.
3. pertaining to or connected with religion (opposed to secular or profane): sacred music; sacred books.
4. reverently dedicated to some person, purpose, or object: a morning hour sacred to study.
5. regarded with reverence: the sacred memory of a dead hero.
6. secured against violation, infringement, etc., as by reverence or sense of right: sacred oaths; sacred rights.
7. properly immune from violence, interference, etc., as a person or office.

Sacred is an adverb, a term used to modify and describe a verb or noun. Now, when we look at the term it is derived from (holy) we find the following definition:

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–adjective
1. specially recognized as or declared sacred by religious use or authority; consecrated: holy ground.
2. dedicated or devoted to the service of God, the church, or religion: a holy man.
3. saintly; godly; pious; devout: a holy life.
4. having a spiritually pure quality: a holy love.
5. entitled to worship or veneration as or as if sacred: a holy relic.
6. religious: holy rites.
7. inspiring fear, awe, or grave distress: The director, when angry, is a holy terror.
–noun
8. a place of worship; sacred place; sanctuary.

This word is also derived from Middle English, the term holi. This is a more "modern" derivitive of the Old English term hālig which is a varient of the compound word hāleg. Which is comprised of the word hāl (whole) and the ending -eg (The equivelant of adding -y to a noun, thus turning it into an adverb.).

You may be asking why I've just delineated the origin of these two words and presented the definition. The reason is because in neither of these words, or in the synonyms presented (which does include the colloquial usage) for these terms on Dictionary.com (or in my copies of the Unabridged Webster's Dictionary and Oxford American Writer's Thesarus) is the word holy or its derivitive, sacred, presented as sacrifice. Now, when we look at the word sacrifice, we find:

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Originally Posted by [URL="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sacrifice&x=0&y=0"
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–noun
1. the offering of animal, plant, or human life or of some material possession to a deity, as in propitiation or homage.
2. the person, animal, or thing so offered.
3. the surrender or destruction of something prized or desirable for the sake of something considered as having a higher or more pressing claim.
4. the thing so surrendered or devoted.
5. a loss incurred in selling something below its value.
6. Also called sacrifice bunt, sacrifice hit. Baseball. a bunt made when there are fewer than two players out, not resulting in a double play, that advances the base runner nearest home without an error being committed if there is an attempt to put the runner out, and that results in either the batter's being put out at first base, reaching first on an error made in the attempt for the put-out, or being safe because of an attempt to put out another runner.
–verb (used with object)
7. to make a sacrifice or offering of.
8. to surrender or give up, or permit injury or disadvantage to, for the sake of something else.
9. to dispose of (goods, property, etc.) regardless of profit.
10. Baseball. to cause the advance of (a base runner) by a sacrifice.
–verb (used without object)
11. Baseball. to make a sacrifice: He sacrificed with two on and none out.
12. to offer or make a sacrifice.

In the very definition of the word sacrifice is the inferred reference to the destruction of animals, people, plants, or property. Indeed, there is two references to destruction. Please note the 2nd definition of the verb as used with an object and the 2nd definition of the noun. The specific destruction of animals, people, plants or property is a compound definition comprised of the first and second definitions of the noun form of the word sacrifice or the use of the first definition of the noun and the second definition of the verb with an object.

The origin of the word sacrifice is descendent from Latin by way of Old French and Middle English. The Latin term is the compound verb sacrificium. It is produced by the combination of the term sacer (holy) and a conjugation of the verb facere (to make).

Now, as we're not discussing baseball but rather matters of religion, I ask you, how is the use of the word sacrifice in conjunction with blood magic incorrect? Is your objection to the use of the word sacrifice (which is related to holy, thru which related to the term sacred) to describe something that is not a religious act? For if this is the case, I refer you to the inferred definition for the word sacrifice as seen by combining the second and third definitions of the noun. This covers the useage of the word sacrifice with respect to blood magic.

Please, Sirius, be so kind as to illuminate which definition of the word sacrifice you are using. As the word sacred is not the definition of the term, as illustrated above.

I shall adress specifically your statements with regards to blood magic in my next post.

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